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why is moral dumbfounding relevant?

‘linguistics--a domain in which ordinary human beings are also famously dumbfounded.’

(Dwyer, 2009, p. 279)

Dwyer 2009, p. 279

‘Moral Dumbfounding suggests two desiderata for an adequate account of moral judgment; namely, it: \begin{quote} (a) must not entail what is patently false, namely, that such judgments are the conclusions of explicitly represented syllogisms, one or more premises of which are moral principles, that ordinary folk can articulate, and (b) must accommodate subjects’ grasp of the structure of the scenes they evaluate.’ \end{quote} ‘The Linguistic Analogy, which [... holds that [ethical] judgments are reflective of the structure of the Moral Faculty, satisfies these desiderata’ (Dwyer, 2009, p. 294).

‘Moral Dumbfounding suggests two desiderata for an adequate account of moral judgment; namely, it:

(a) must not entail what is patently false, namely, that such judgments are the conclusions of explicitly represented syllogisms, one or more premises of which are moral principles, that ordinary folk can articulate, and

(b) must accommodate subjects’ grasp of the structure of the scenes they evaluate.’

‘The Linguistic Analogy, which [... holds that [ethical] judgments are reflective of the structure of the Moral Faculty, satisfies these desiderata.’

Dwyer 2009, p. 294

This seems not to follow from dumbfounding at all, but from reflection on patterns of judgement (see the discussion of Mikhail from the last lecture).
go back to the evidence on dumbfounding ...

How well does the evidence support Dwyer’s position?

(Never trust a philospoher!)

Complication: Dwyer cites ‘Haidt’s (2001) study’ but this is actually a review paper.

Dwyer probably intends to refer to Haidt et al, 2000.

From the abstract:

‘It was hypothesized that participants’ judgments

would be highly consistent with their reasoning on the moral reasoning dilemma, but that

judgment would separate from reason and follow intuition in the other four tasks.’

So far this is consistent with Dwyer’s view, but ...
Why other?
This part does not appear to be consistent with her view at all. It implies we are back to the dual process view after all.
NB: Dwyer is explicitly attacking the dual process view!
Key Disanalogy with language: ethical reasoning seems important for exercising some ethical abilities
[topic: moral reasoning. Hindriks 2015?]

‘Moral Dumbfounding suggests two desiderata for an adequate account of moral judgment; namely, it:

(a) must not entail what is patently false, namely, that such judgments are the conclusions of explicitly represented syllogisms, one or more premises of which are moral principles, that ordinary folk can articulate, and

(b) must accommodate subjects’ grasp of the structure of the scenes they evaluate.’

‘The Linguistic Analogy, which [... holds that [ethical] judgments are reflective of the structure of the Moral Faculty, satisfies these desiderata.’

Dwyer 2009, p. 294

‘Moral Dumbfounding suggests two desiderata for an adequate account of moral judgment; namely, it:

(a) must not entail what is patently false, namely, that such judgments are the conclusions of explicitly represented syllogisms, one or more premises of which are moral principles, that ordinary folk can articulate, and

(b) must accommodate subjects’ grasp of the structure of the scenes they evaluate.’

‘The Linguistic Analogy, which [... holds that [ethical] judgments are reflective of the structure of the Moral Faculty, satisfies these desiderata.’

Dwyer 2009, p. 294

?

The question was whether I am reading too much into Heinz.
Moral dumbfounding does not suggest this!
Only orange for now; will be red when we consider moral disengagement

What does moral dumbfounding actually show?

My view.

Moral dumbfounding shows that some ethical judgements are not consequences of reasoning from known principles

Other phenomena (e.g. moral disengagement) indicate that some ethical judgements are consequences of reasoning from known principles

The important thing for me isn’t whether you find the argument compelling or not. There’s surely much more to say. It’s that the motivating for it gives us a good question, a puzzle even.

puzzle

Why are moral intuitions sometimes, but not always, a consequence of reasoning from known principles?

This is what dumbfounding shows. (Good evidence, btw, that moral attributes are not always accessible?)
This is coming next (moral disengagement)